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Interviews with Zbigniew and Zofia Romaszewski

Interviewed November 26, 2024

Well we started going around the country with simple humanitarian assistance. Just to support these people [workers and others suppressed during the 1976 protests against rising prices, particularly in the areas of Ursus and Radom], you know. This began, I think, even in July, there was this trial of workers from Ursus, and our observers attended it. And it was there where the first contacts were made with the families of those workers. At the same time – these were mostly people who never had any run-ins with the courts, with any criminal past, they knew nothing about these things, and they were completely helpless in the face of the machinery of coercion in Poland. So, they did not know such things, as what is a defense attorney, where you get one, how do you apply for a food parcel, for mail [privileges of prisoners to send and receive mail], for a jailhouse visit – they were entirely helpless in this whole context.

So at this juncture our colleagues took this on, and then started taking care of them in that regard. We started traveling around somewhat later, because this is really going on since July – oh, one other thing – you also have to have money if you are going to be doing this right – so the first collections were now taken up. At the same time, the authorities undertook this huge propaganda campaign, denouncing “the troublemakers of Ursus and Radom” [locations of the most intense 1976 protests against rising prices in Poland]. Despite that, and at this point in time they were no longer able to convince society at large that the nature of these actions … that these actions which were taken were anti-socialist, so to speak, or anti-state. Everyone really empathized and identified with these workers, and, for instance, when I was conducting a collection at my Physics Institute – everybody gave – even our party secretary gave, contributed to the cause of those people.

But as to KOR [The Workers’ Defense Committee (KOR) was an anticommunist underground civil society organization in the 1970s, formed to provide assistance to laborers and others persecuted by the government], that was not in existence yet. This was a huge problem of ours, because we were traveling around with this assistance, meeting with people, and yet we had nothing to say in the way of “who am I with, what do I represent? What is my reason for showing up here?” And this was very important to us, to create some format, or structure, of people of a known quantity. So the KOR, which was created on September 23, 1976, this became some kind of franchise for us – that now I am not here collecting money perhaps for myself, but that here is an organization which collects money, and organizes this whole thing – so this was critically important to us.

But one other important thing – in order to start traveling around, you have to commit yourself that this is what you are going to do – and so I remember having this conversation with my wife – I think we had a total of two such conversations over time. These days we might give it a sophisticated name like, “risk management,” but what it was, was a conversation along the lines of, “well if they catch us, you can get three years [in prison] for this . Are we ready for this, or are we not?” So we had to make a decision that we were ready, and then the whole thing became straightforward. The second time we had [a conversation like that], was under martial law when we were opening up Radio Solidarity, but then the discussion was not about three years anymore, but 10 years – because we calculated that this thing merited up to 10. One thing we did not believe was that they would give us the death penalty – although that is how the Declaration of Martial Law actually read. But people did have this kind of conversation. [Martial law in Poland was declared from December 1981-July 1983 by the military government of General Wojciech Jaruzelski in an attempt to crush political opposition. Thousands of opposition activists were jailed without being charged. Radio Solidarity was an underground radio station of the Solidarity resistance movement, broadcasting in Poland from the period of the martial law to the fall of the communist regime.]