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Interviews with Zbigniew and Zofia Romaszewski

Interviewed November 26, 2024

MR. ROMASZEWSKI: Everyone stopped smiling, is what I would say about that [after martial law was declared in Poland from December 1981-July 1983 by the military government of General Wojciech Jaruzelski. It was an attempt to crush political opposition; thousands of opposition activists were jailed without being charged.]. The country was in an extremely grim mood. However, we might not be the best witnesses to ask because we were simply in hiding, both of us, throughout martial law. We simply got lucky in that regard. For myself, I did not participate, that time, in the [session of the] National Committee of Solidarity [the governing body of Solidarity, a labor union formed by Gdansk ship builders that transformed into a nationwide resistance movement], and to that I attribute not getting arrested.

My wife as well, she stepped out just before the end of someone’s Name Day party [a tradition in many European and Latin American countries celebrating the day associated with a person’s name, typically a Christian saint’s feast day]– for Alexandra – out of which everyone was arrested, so in that way, we really were somewhat lucky. And from that point on, we went into hiding, simply put.

MS. ROMASZEWSKA: For myself, I have to add that throughout the entire period of Solidarity’s existence, I did not for one moment – and I was a fully grown person at the time, and for instance – we were both constantly very aware of this subterranean war that was being waged. Because I was employed at the Intervention Assistance Committee of Solidarity. So this was everywhere, at every turn, there was a war being waged against the communist regime. As blows went tit-for-tat, tit-for-tat, tit-for-tat – and like that. So because everything was ultimately still in the hands of the communists, so, let us see, no, we did not expect or predict anything specific. We just thought we ought to continue waging this struggle for our rights. I think also, to say this was a shock and came completely out of the blue – for me: no, it was not that way. A very sad thing, but it was not astonishing.

MR. ROMASZEWSKI: The best proof to give you, that apart from this grand festive atmosphere of a carnival [in the time between Solidarity’s creation and the declaration of martial law], I always carried on me a set of keys to an apartment of one of my friends. In case things started happening – just to have a place to go hide in. And this was exactly what I did on the first day, being December 13 [1981] in the morning. So straight off the train, I stepped into my friend’s apartment to hide away. And of course our apartment was raided, they arrested our daughter, they arrested our future son-in-law, and these two were interned.

MS. ROMASZEWSKA: But also, which needs adding, during the time of Solidarity, our friends from the Konfederacja Polski Niepodległej [KPN] were spending time in prison. I remember very clearly how much trouble we put into collecting signatures, signatures were being collected very much like they are these days – to no avail. We tried to have them be – well, the people who were in jail were a group from the KPN. So none of that was normal, really – if this had been a normal country, they would not have been in prison [KPN, or in English, The Confederation of Independent Poland was the first independent political party in the Eastern bloc countries. Founded in 1979, the party was not recognized by Poland’s communist government and many of its leaders and activists were arrested.].

MR. ROMASZEWSKI: But this was still not the worst conceivable atmosphere. I need to add that at the time when we started building our underground society, throughout that time I had a strong feeling that I could have walked into anybody´s home, and they would have stowed me away, any one of them.