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Interviews with Vytautas Landsbergis

Interviewed November 26, 2024

The Soviets had their policies and tasks to build up a new culture. A new communist, of course—culture -— a false culture dictated, limited, and degenerated to some level. Servile to communist rulers and praising the system as the best in the world and the future of all mankind. And therefore inside of culture, it was already a field of disobedience, of covert resistance, of criticism. I remember a nice sentence of Mrs. Applebaum. [Anne Applebaum (1964 – ) is an American journalist and author who has written extensively on Central and Eastern Europe. She said, “By politicizing everything, they also made everything into a potential source of dissent.”] Recently when she said that [paraphrasing] — “As much the Soviets went with their totalitarianism. To control everything they made a situation in which everything became a field of resistance.”

If you are disobedient in any of such fields, you are already resisting this total control. So Lithuanian culture suffered much. Great parts of their former culture were forbidden, denied, put out from the teaching, or of common use. So it was a complicated time with great losses in culture. But also concrete fields of confrontation, of no opposition. They appeared how to defend or preserve the Lithuanian language at least and not to be degenerated to the official Russian Soviet language. Therefore the intelligentsia went to have some circles of, not the word ´defense´ was not used — carefulness about Lithuanian language.

When the wave of more liberal youth wished to debate openly under the Gorbachev period, it was a struggle in several clubs and grassroots organizations to defend the historical truth, to defend the monuments of history and architecture. [Mikhail Gorbachev (1931 – ) served as the last General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1985 – 1991 and as President of the Soviet Union from 1988 until its dissolution in 1991.] As they have been unregulated, the people will stand forward to defend them, to protest even unsuccessfully. But the fact of protest was already important.

Not total fear was governing already. And they were various and maybe smaller or greater sources of the consolidated Sajudis movement. [Sajudis, meaning “movement” in Lithuanian, was a civil society organization formed in 1988 to advocate the restoration of the country’s independence from the USSR.] From all those sources could appear in 1988. It was, I could say, the struggle for culture. Traditional in Lithuania´s history from 19th century when language, books, print were forbidden. It was also a struggle for culture. And illegal prints, smuggled from abroad, were distributed over all of Lithuania. The teaching underground, teaching children underground to learn Lithuanian, to read, to write Lithuanian. It was repeated again under Soviet system. Then formally the language was not forbidden but the mind was forbidden.