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Interviews with Vytautas Landsbergis

Interviewed November 26, 2024

Our fundamental goals were the same: liberty, freedom. How it could be considered by even activists of the movement or even among those Communist Party members who had been for reforms, for more freedoms. When some of them, or part of them wishing more freedoms, did not believe in the full freedom that is achievable. Anyway they were eager to fight or to win more freedoms, more autonomy, more gracious behavior of Kremlin allowing something more than before. But the same time, there were people of my type and our friends who always had in mind the ultimate goal is full freedom. Not limited, not part of freedom.

I had a chance sometimes to say it openly to Gorbachev or– and some opportunities that he– “If you are going to propose us some freedoms with the idea that we will be happy, it is not so. We wish whole freedoms which a normal nation deserves.” [Mikhail Gorbachev (1931 – ) served as the last General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1985 – 1991 and as President of the Soviet Union from 1988 until its dissolution in 1991.] To add to that we had also the old freedom fighters back from gulags, or those from underground spiritual activities, or those publishers and distributors of the free underground press, and the famous Lithuanian chronicles of the Lithuanian Catholic church, which have been distributed broadly and published in volumes in the West. And the K.G.B. could not stop it.

So this conspiracy in the– and the deep belief that the people are fighting for great and good — really was also strong. And they influenced our legalistic movement inside of Gorbachev’s reforms. Only with the correction that we always could say, and not only among ourselves but sometimes then publicly, that we want greater reforms than Gorbachev himself and we want unlimited reforms until the full freedom of choice is implemented. And freedom of choice was our goal with a little hesitation on what the people will choose. But first it was a principle. Let´s ask the people how they wish to live. Why you are playing a game being representatives of Lithuania? Who elected you? You are not elected by the people.

Let us have genuine free elections, competitive elections. And finally they agreed. The elections were the first achievement. And the next achievement was democracy. And democracy was our way to independence.