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Interviews with Saad Eddin Ibrahim

Interviewed November 26, 2024

We have, in a country like Egypt, in the last three, four years, Whenever there was a chance for a plebiscite, an election, municipal, local, whatever – people would use cell phone. Not only to communicate with each other, but also to document rigging.

Because many of these cell phones have cameras, as you know. So, many have used them, also, to document torture in police stations or in prisons. And to bring it out innocently to the world so they become a cause for Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch, or other– rights organizations.

All of this is helping the freedom and the democracy movement. Technology here has – and especially young people are very adept in using that technology. Not – older generation, like myself – who can just barely use – a cell phone – or the computer. But young people are very, you know, very skillful in using that technology, and they have. And they managed to, in fact, to embarrass a regime and to document its violations– both in the electoral process as well as during investigation or in police stations….

On balance I would say that our activists, fellow activists, have been outpacing the government in using technology. Because they are young, agile, skillful, and they´re way ahead. And by the time the state security in a country like Egypt, or the state operators catches up with them, they´re already one step ahead.

And it´s hard. Okay, everybody´s using whatever means they can use. And– but it is more of a fair fight now, with regard to modern technology, than it ever was, or than it was, let´s say, during my early incarceration some 20 years ago.