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Interviews with Ricardo Lagos

Interviewed November 23, 2024

That was a very funny story, a very funny discussion, because the Alianza Democrática was the first to understand that. Then there were some other institutions in civil society: the physicians, the lawyers, the teachers. Several of those associations had a very broad front, the civil front, the civil society. And in addition to that, there were some students’ movements plus the trade unions’ leaders.

[The Democratic Alliance of Chile (Spanish: Alianza Democrática de Chile) was a coalition of left-wing parties from 1942 to 1946, which succeeded to the Popular Front headed by Pedro Aguirre Cerda´s government (1938-1941).]

So you had labor movements and student movements. There was also another very important one: the women movement, Mujeres por la Vida, Women for Life.

In order to fight, in order to respect human life from the point of view of humans, you had several different instances plus some political institutions.

Now, it is true, it is much easier to say “no” and to agree to say “no” than to put together some program after the “no” succeeds. But that is another story.

Nevertheless, what I really think it was really important [was] the fact that we decided [to have] the “No” Campaign, and the fact that we decided that it was possible, with a paper and a pencil, to say “no” and that’s it… Because you only had two choices: yes or no. In the vote [ballot], yes or no. That’s it.

[Chile’s “No” Campaign was designed by the country’s democratic opposition encouraging citizens to vote “no” against another term for President Augusto Pinochet in the 1988 nation-wide plebiscite.]

And then the big issue was how you were going to register and how you were going to register the political parties. And I discovered… Once I was with President Alwyn in La Serena, it is a city about five hundred kilometers North of Santiago, and I received a… during those days you said a telex. Do you remember? There were no emails. [Patricio Aylwin Azócar (1918 – ) is a Chilean Christian Democrat politician, lawyer and former senator. He was the first president of Chile after democracy was restored in 1990.]

It was a telex. And the telex said: Arica [Region of Chile]. President Pinochet today said that there is somebody called Lagos. Be careful, Lagos, we are watching you.

[Augusto Pinochet was dictator of Chile between 1973 and 1990.]

And some of the journalists who were there in that meeting gave me that paper. And that was the first time that Pinochet addressed me by name.

And in the middle of that [event] there was a small number, no more than twenty, twenty-five people that belonged to the Communist Party. And at that time they said: Inscripción = Traición [Registration = Betrayal], to register is to be a traitor, because you were going to be registered according to Pinochet’s legislation.

And it was very difficult to keep talking. Because twenty people out of two hundred were enough to disrupt the meeting. So I said to Alwyn: “Let me speak first”. And I tried to say the usual things and people started making complaints. And then suddenly I said: “Now, please, [be] quiet”.

“I am going to read a telex by Pinochet.” “Uuuhhhh, uuuhhh.” “No, listen to what Pinochet says.” And then I red what Pinochet said: “Now, Mr. Pinochet, I am going to answer you”. My goodness. That was terrific. You did not know what happened. The twenty guys who were making complaints started clapping.

The fact that I addressed Pinochet [directly]… And then I answered something: “I will keep doing what I am doing because democracy will return and we will defeat you in the plebiscite”.
But the fact that I addressed him straight, I discovered that it was much better than making the usual speeches. And from then on I kept doing that.

And it was funny because then we went on TV. And on TV it is quite different, to speak to twelve million or three million people on TV than to speak to two hundred people in the audience in La Serena.

And that is the reason why I went on TV and I [looked at] the camera and talked to Pinochet.