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Interviews with Martin Bútora

Interviewed November 26, 2024

There are several interesting things here, I think. In those elections in 1992, with the exception of the Slovak National Party, basically no party came with the program of becoming independent. There were different versions of this legal state arrangement from some kind of confederation, through federation, or another union, but only the Slovak National Party demanded total independence, neither in the Czech part of the country or in the Slovak part of the country, one could not say that splitting Czechoslovakia was supported by the majority.

Even though it is true that the Czech population and the Slovak population had different ideas of what it meant to be in a common state. On the Slovak side, there were more elements of a partnership, some of which went in the direction of the confederation, and on the Czech side that wanted to make sure that the country was working. That was the key idea of Václav Klaus but also others. [Vaclav Klaus served as Czech prime minister from 1992 – 1997 and as Czech president since 2003.] We can’t keep bickering, because those two years were marked with the various representations constantly bickering about what kind of arrangement it should be, how to put together a new constitution, et cetera.

We can’t keep bickering, we have economic goals, we have foreign policy goals, we simply have to agree on something and we need a functioning federation to do that. In Slovakia, Vladimír Mečiar won the elections, who originally ran as a member of Public Against Violence, but shortly after the split occurred. [Vladimir Meciar led three governments as Slovak prime minister, from 1990-1991, 1992-1994, and 1994-1998.] And people got divided, the people who could be described as the national and social populists and the people, I think probably, more than some idealists that initially joined Public Against Violence, understood the pragmatic aspects of power and were able to manipulate this power appropriately.

What became a problem was the fact that the two states got separated, separated without a referendum, it is likely that this referendum would not have been passed. Yes, that would have been a certain dead end, it would not have been an easy solution, that’s true, but the politicians would have had to find a solution. Anyway, the countries split, Slovakia Vladimír Mečiar gained absolute power and after a relatively short period of time started to use authoritarian elements.