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Interviews with Lech Walesa

Interviewed November 26, 2024

In that period in a few places there were people who understood each other without any words spoken. And these people included Reagan [Ronald Reagan, President of the United States, 1981-1989], Mitterrand [Francois Mitterrand, President of France, 1981-1995], Mrs. Thatcher [Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, 1979-1990], the Holy Father [Pope John Paul II, who led the Roman Catholic Church from 1978 to 2005]. And all these people were fed up with Communism. They knew Communism was on its last legs and each of them did their job right, which all contributed to a common fight against Communism.

This was just a situation which generated certain people who all, without mutual agreement, worked toward this end. Reagan pushed the arms race, which Communism could not keep up with. Mitterrand, for his part, was a socialist so he was kind of a friend of the communists, but he would tell them in his turn, “Listen, do not beat up on the labor unionists, you need to allow freedom of trade unions,” so he was on the other side in a way, but at the same time supported us.

Mrs. Thatcher then was saying, “Listen, what kind of an economy is this? Such a huge, beautiful expanse of land in the socialist countries, and you cannot feed your people, well, then this system is no good.” And so, all these people – you could add a few names, but anyway, all these people were doing their own thing, but it all comprised a common fight among us.