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Interviews with Lech Walesa

Interviewed November 26, 2024

You know, the thing with fear, it is like hardening yourself – at the beginning everyone´s afraid, and of numerous things, but with the passage of time you are able to defeat fear. At a certain point, this was my case; I realized that fear was not going to help me. That regardless of what I would do, the opposing side would pretty much be able to do anything to me, and so I completely stopped being afraid, the only thing I was full of was the fear of God.

Of course, I took care not to be blindsided, not to let myself become too easy a target, and so I did not bang my head against the wall. I was looking for methods which were effective, but knowing full well that the opponent is also in it to win it, just like the opposition was. In Poland we had never actually given up the struggle.

The various banner actions which were publicized and had their visible manifestations, and this was 1956, this was ‘70, ‘76, [referring to various anti-communist uprisings in Poland] but these are just the events that are widely known to the public because they led to some strikes or maybe some street demonstrations. So this is why I kept struggling for, seizing opportunities that could lead us to victory.

On the other hand, was my thinking that forward back in 1980? No, it was not. My thinking was that we would need to have yet another bout against Communism, at least one more time. So already then, in the 1980s, at the beginning of the 80s, when we were already organizing and if it turned out that Poland’s Solidarity was defeated, [I wanted] to mount a fight as a Solidarity of East Central Europe with [Vaclav] Havel [Czech dissident and former Czech President], with other activists of our neighboring countries. We held consultations and talked with an eye to maybe mounting another more powerful struggle through organizing East Central Europe.