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Interviews with Frene Ginwala

Interviewed November 26, 2024

Oliver Tambo also, as the voice of the ANC [African National Congress], was the person who kept the ANC together in exile. I don’t know there’s any other political group that did not fragment, but from 1960 til 1991, when Oliver Tambo came back [to South Africa from exile], he held the ANC together. He was the acknowledged leader. Mandela was, but in a mythical kind of way. He was in prison, and the campaign for release of political prisoners was on his – the campaign was launched, but the ANC never had agreed to isolate one leader above others.

So when we went back to headquarters and said we need a face for the type of campaign you are talking about, and we suggested it was Nelson Mandela because Nelson Mandela’s speech – when he had gone back to South Africa, he was then imprisoned, or tried, for leaving the country illegally and his speech at the treason trial had gone around the world and his words – it had been broadcast all over in many, many countries. It was read from the pulpit of St. Paul’s Cathedral [London, United Kingdom], which would sound odd, which it was, because here was somebody who was supposedly a terrorist.

[The ANC is a political party that served as the most prominent resistance movement against South Africa’s apartheid system, at times resorting to violence through its military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe. It was officially banned by the South African government from 1960 to 1990. As apartheid collapsed, the ANC’s leader, Nelson Mandela, was elected President of South Africa in 1994 and established a democratic government. Oliver Tambo (1917 – 1993) was an anti-apartheid activist and a senior leader of the ANC. He served as the organization’s president from 1967 – 1991 and kept the ANC together from exile after it was banned by the South African government in 1960. Nelson Mandela (1918 – 2013) was a South African anti-apartheid revolutionary and politician who served as the first post-apartheid President of South Africa from 1994-1999. After returning from an international trip, Nelson Mandela was arrested and tried in1962. He was accused on two counts: inciting persons to strike illegally and leaving the country without a valid passport. Mandela was found guilty and sentenced to five years in prison. In 1963, while still serving his sentence, Mandela was put on trial again and sentenced to life in prison.]

So that had been there, but we had to ask for permission. Now, the channel of communication with South Africa was Oliver Tambo. How he communicated was the internal machinery, but then again, there was a leadership on the island, Robben Island. Now, there was an ANC there, which was headed by Nelson Mandela.

The external mission was headed by Oliver Tambo. And they went back to the island, got agreement that we could use the name of Nelson Mandela. In other words, draw him out as not just part of a collective. So then the international campaign was release all South Africans – Nelson Mandela and all political prisoners. This is – so the movement – [the African National] Congress worked as one, though it was in different places and different groups doing different things

[Robben Island, now a museum, was the site of a maximum security prison where Nelson Mandela and other political prisoners were jailed.]

Oliver Tambo was the internationally-recognized leader, liaising with governments, liaising – for example, the first meeting we had with Mrs. Thatcher was with Oliver Tambo because Mandela was in prison, and this was the way we worked because of their very close respect for each other and because they’d worked together from the time they were students and in the leadership of the ANC before it was banned. He was a very humane individual.

[Margaret Thatcher (1925 – 2013) served as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979-1990]