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Interviews with Frene Ginwala

Interviewed November 26, 2024

The sports one [referring to the sports and cultural boycott of South Africa] was very effective because South Africa was very, very – white South Africa was very sports mad. Let me put it that way. And the fact that they were now being ostracized, it started with a coloured cricketer, who was a very good cricketer, but he was not allowed to travel on a South African team.

The Maoris [All Blacks] in New Zealand started putting pressure, saying if we go to South Africa, we must be allowed to go as New Zealanders, not as Maoris or have a special thing. So those were the sorts of thing that started making the impact. The Olympic games, South Africa was excluded. We had a South African nonracial Olympic movement, and they were doing – so these were offshoots. They were not under the control of the ANC [African National Congress]. We liaised with all of these people, but there were people themselves involved who were dealing with all of these different issues.

[The All Blacks are the national rugby team of New Zealand. The African National Congress (ANC) is a political party that served as the most prominent resistance movement against South Africa’s apartheid system, at times resorting to violence through its military wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe. It was officially banned by the South African government from 1960 to 1990. As apartheid collapsed, the ANC’s leader, Nelson Mandela, was elected President of South Africa in 1994 and established a democratic government.]

The cultural boycott, of course, took off tremendously, and a lot of people refused to come [to South Africa].

So it was a thing that moved with the times, with the situation as it happened, and it didn’t involve only the ANC. We supported it, but it was people’s consciences across the globe, whether it was Bono or it was somebody else.

[Bono (1960 – ) is the lead singer of U2 and a well-known social activist]