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Interviews with Czeslaw Bielecki

Interviewed November 26, 2024

When I had a workshop in Boston at the end of last year [2012], discussing with freedom fighters from different countries in the world – it was the center for nonviolent struggle [Fletcher Summer Institute for the Advanced Study of Nonviolent Conflict]. They were so serious that I told them, you gave me a paper to sign. I tell them, look, freedom is in – as oxygen. In big quantities, dangerous for you.

So first of all, raise your hand, whether you are healthy and you declare that you wouldn’t blame me when something would happen with you after my speech, OK? OK. They didn’t follow, so I told them, raise your hand, go out of the hall – I am serious. We are in America. I have to have a declaration. Secondly, I tell them, look, why you are so sad and serious? We understand and we passed through different stages. I am country champion in hunger strike. I resisted 11 months. I am now 100 [kilograms] – unfortunately – I want to be 90 [kilograms]. I was arrested as 90-kilogram guy; I am one meter 90 [centimeters]. And I decreased to 54 or 56 [kilograms]. So I lost 36 kilograms. And I survived. I survived. I took vitamins and water but nothing else. I survived 11 months. I resisted till the end of my third arrest. Eleven months.

So I tell them, look I was five or four times just crying from laughter in jail. Freedom is something we can enjoy. We had a lot of fun making conspiracies against the Reds. Don’t be so serious and pathetic. Think about the future. You have to take a certain distance from yourself. You can’t present yourself as a hero and ask other colleagues or comrades, be a hero. No. Be tough, resist. When you avoid something which is our secret, tell, first of all, your friends that, unfortunately, you falled victim of your own weakness.

Don’t be more discrete and more in tune with your persecutors than with us. Understand the spirit of brotherhood, the spirit of community. So being within a circle of a real community of fighters – it’s a pleasure. All the people who were participating in more bloody and more awful conditions than myself had a lot of joy. People who were taking part in Warsaw Uprising [The Warsaw Uprising was a 1944 campaign by the Polish Home Army against the Nazi occupation of Poland. The uprising was defeated by the Nazis, but is regarded as an example of Polish patriotism and bravery.]– a hopeless political initiative in which we are struggling with Soviets, with Germans, and Soviets were just waiting for our defeat, but still, those people had weddings, jokes, a special satire tradition.

They were enjoying freedom. So that’s a lesson of my generation: not to be too serious or more serious than the conditions are demanding us. Don’t exaggerate with this political or patriotic pathos. Take it as a chance for a fantastic, lovely life, because to win then is a satisfaction. When I survive some hard times, I am just more healthy. That’s a challenge for each of us to train ourselves – not how to hit someone, how to receive hits without being wounded spiritually, intellectually, morally. So I enjoy my past, because my past is helping me in my present.