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Interviews with Czeslaw Bielecki

Interviewed November 26, 2024

It was the beginning of Solidarity [a labor union formed by Gdansk ship builders that transformed into a nationwide resistance movement]. There were many sociologists who studied after the events, after the birth of Solidarity and the short legal life of Solidarity, those 16 months of 1980 and 1981 until martial law was imposed on December 10, 1981. So during this time, there were sociologists saying that the strongest centers of Solidarity were set up in those regions and towns in which Robotnik [The Worker], this underground short review, printed on small sheets of A3 size paper, this small journal was published and distributed.

And if we think how it happened with me, with myself – so I started as a political author writing under a nickname, and I was known in Poland as Maciej Poleski, Matthew Poleski. In Poland – or abroad– within the circles of Polish emigration, but it was a very small circle you could count on one hand or perhaps one and a half who knew that Czeslaw Bielecki is Maciej Poleski. So during my second trimester of Mokotow jail ‘studies’ and they put me in the same cell with Adam Michnik [a prominent anti-communist activist and Solidarity leader] for one month, I told him in secret during the walk in the cage outside, this half an hour walk, after receiving from him an obligation that he wouldn’t tell Jacek Kuron [a prominent anti-communist activist and Polish opposition leader] and others, that I am Matthew Poleski.

And it was a very, very nice position because during the whole Solidarity period, just I made one poster, you can know, with [entitled] ‘Cardiogram.’ [In ‘Cardiogram’] There’s a brief history of Poland, which starts from ’44 through ’56, ’70, ’76 till 1980 and ends with the logo of Solidarity. That’s such a brief history of Poland, which is now exposed in the Checkpoint Charlie Museum of Berlin Wall in Berlin [Museum Haus am Checkpoint Charlie]. So I think that my activity during the carnival was an activity of someone who was certain that this day or day after, they will attack us. And that’s what I wrote as Matthew Poleski, that this – only the time of a break, but for sure, communists will attack us, and we have to be prepared.

So I didn’t declare who I am. I didn’t play with my underground articles published under my nickname Poleski. So when martial law came [Poland’s communist government declared martial law from 1981-1983], they didn’t look for me. I was an anonymous person. When they kept me this time, when they put me in the same cell with Michnik, they didn’t know who I am. They knew only that I am someone, let’s say, in the situation where they kept me, that I’m someone linked with a distribution network. But they didn’t identify who I am, what I’m doing, that I founded the CDN [To Be Continued] publishing house [an underground publisher].