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Interviews with Arturo Pérez De Alejo Rodríguez

Interviewed November 22, 2024

Well, the word freedom is very broad. Very broad. But what is fundamental is freedom of assembly, freedom of expression, freedom of association, that you shouldn’t feel restricted about anything, that you can have economic freedom too, social and cultural…of religion.

You can’t say bad things against the [Cuban] Revolution. And it has its consequences. Even today while they’re implementing cosmetic reforms to clean up their image. Because enacting little reforms here and there doesn’t do anything and they’re doing it because the Cuban Revolution is going bankrupt.

They do not have an economy, no one has anything and they’re looking for economic resources wherever they can. Because the current situation in the country is the most chaotic they’ve seen in all of their time; worse than the “Special Period” because now things are very expensive, and people cannot afford things. People do not have money.

The only ones who can go to a shopping center are those that have family outside of the country sending them a little money. [Cuba’s “Special Period” refers to the country’s severe recession in the 1990s sparked by the fall of the Soviet Union.]

And then you may [or may not] be able to buy something, because even with your honest hard labor in Cuba you cannot survive. That society is being downgraded every day, in the sense that people steal from the government to be able to live. If you drive a truck, you steal the diesel, steal gasoline; if you work in a bar, you steal rum. If you work in a gas station, you steal the gasoline. In the end, everyone has to steal in order to survive.

And therefore what happens is that society morally disintegrates and there comes a moment when people get used to it and accept it as their way of life. It’s a matter of survival. And precisely because of the fear of speaking out, no one takes a step forward. Because they believe that taking a step forward leads to uncertainty, and there lies the oppression, the darkness. And no one knows what’s on the other side. And people do not position themselves to find a better life; to find something…that really guides them in life. And take the bold step and break the fear like we did in that moment [the Group of 75]; like we did when we broke with fear.

Well, we suffered our consequences; but if a great majority of the people breaks with fear, then they cannot imprison half of Cuba. [In March 2003, the Cuban government arrested 75 nonviolent dissidents in an event known as the Black Spring.] And I know that more than 60 or 70 percent of the Cuban population is not with the regime. And it’s not even because of the shortages, or the needs that people have, but because of the lack of justice, the lack of equality, the lack of morals and the corruption… everything [terrible] that exists in that place.

And we turn back, and the Ladies in White continue to battle in that sense; UNPACU [Union Patriotica de Cuba], and other Cuban organizations. But I repeat, they have to unite; they have to unite and the message must be the same.

[The Ladies in White is a civil society organization founded by the mothers, spouses and daughters of the 75 dissidents who were imprisoned by Cuban authorities during the “Black Spring” crackdown in March 2003. The Union Patriotica de Cuba or Patriotic Union of Cuba is a civil society organization founded in 2011. Its mission is uniting the Cuban opposition and advocating for nonviolent struggle against the repression of civil liberties on the island of Cuba.]

When there is democracy, everyone can have his own organization that can propose its plan and offer it to the general public. And the people can choose. Now is the time to unite, not to have separate political beliefs against the government, because we won’t accomplish anything that way. We must find everything that unites us, not the things that divide us. And well, democracy is precisely the freedom of individuals to think for themselves.

There are different roads but they must all end up in the same place. Each can choose his own road. But they must reach consensus [now]; that is my message. They must find a consensus so that all those roads can join and they can arrive at the same place, and when democracy arrives, they can present their views because that’s how politics works.