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Interviews with Andrzej Gwiazda and Joanna Duda-Gwiazda

Interviewed November 26, 2024

JOANNA DUDA-GWIAZDA: Paradoxically, the idea to create free labor unions surfaced after an analysis of the activities of the Workers Defense Committee [KOR], which in truth, we were earnest supporters of. Because we decided that even the noblest group of intelligentsia would not defend the workers. Things could not stay this way; the workers had to stand up for themselves. And also in addition to these political issues, pertinent to these worker cases, there are problems relating to work: exploitation; unfair piece-work, nonpayment for overtime, working conditions, you know? So that no one from the outside is able to resolve such things, except that a labor union has to be organized.

So that is exactly what happened. Solidarity [a labor union formed by Gdansk shipbuilders that transformed into a nationwide resistance movement] did not come into being all of a sudden. First we founded the Organizing Committee of the Free Labor Union. It was on the eve of May 1st of 1978. Andrzej [Gwiazda] was one of the signatories – there were three signatories of the Foundational Declaration. There was also Krzysztof Wyszkowski [a Polish labor activist], [Antoni] Sokołowski [a Polish labor activist] and Andrzej [Gwiazda]. And I have to say this was a bulls-eye because the Communist system had no resistance to being attacked from the left flank. We often repeated this adage of [Vladimir] Lenin’s [founder of the Soviet Union], that whenever there is a conflict between the –

ANDRZEJ GWIAZDA: This was a doctrine, really –

JOANNA DUDA-GWIAZDA: A doctrine, ok – between the working class and the [Communist] Party, then it is the working class who is right. In addition, we were protected, at least formally – it is something called the ILO, the International Labor Organization [an organization created in 1919, as part of the Treaty of Versailles, to safeguard social justice and workers’ rights; it became a United Nations agency in 1946], their conventions, and we cited these. In addition, a labor union is basically allowed to engage in anything. There is no – it is more secure than a political party.

If we had founded a political party, then of course we would have been open to instant attack. On the other hand, a trade union, the authorities didn’t quite know what to do with that. We received mass support immediately. I mean, even in the period of the Organizing Committee, for two years – in 1978 and 1979, and the outbreak of the [Lenin Shipyard] strike was in 1980.

So people came to us with some trepidation. But we were publishing our newsletter, which was read everywhere, people handed it off to one another, because this was finally, a newsletter for the workers. For regular folks.

JOANNA DUDA-GWIAZDA: So it was then the Organizing Committee wrote a leaflet in defense of Anna Walentynowicz [a Polish labor activist and shipbuilder whose firing helped spark the 1980 Lenin Shipyard strike], and attached an instruction on how to strike. And so the hope was that employees of the shipyard would go out on strike, and that is what happened. And of course the strike was decided on by the crew, but of course Anna Walentynowicz was such a popular person at the shipyard, her authority was so great there – she had spent many years working there. And she was a fantastic professional, who also had some significant achievements in social service. So it was over Anna Walentynowicz that the shipyard went on strike.

This is how the Great Strike began, though after 3 days it was over, Lech Walesa [the leader of the Solidarity independent trade union and served as president of Poland from 1990-1995] decided that there was no need to continue with the strike. But that is when members of the free labor union called together an inter-establishment strike committee, thereby unifying all the plants that were out on strike at that time. So beginning with August 16, strikes were being conducted by the group from the free labor unions.

We had all those situations, you know, sort out, we know how to do this. We were mainly about preserving as broad a base of democracy as possible. And so the rules were more or less such that in the minor affairs individual members of the board would make decisions, in a more important issue is the entire board would vote, and in crucial issues the delegates of all the plants which are on strike would have to. In the absolutely most critical affairs would be put to a referendum of the workers.

There were attempts to break up the strike with various methods, but one thing the authorities could not succeed at, was they could not say that the free labor unions were some kind of political creatures coming from the outside, because we were from these production plants. The people knew us, they knew that we were not politicos who were sent to them, but we were a part of them, part of the working crews.

ANDRZEJ GWIAZDA: The beginning of the strike showed us that we had underestimated ourselves – after all we had only published eight issues of the Coastal Worker periodical. And the quantity was – How much was there?

JOANNA DUDA-GWIAZDA: Between 1500 and 2000 copies.

ANDRZEJ GWIAZDA: So between 1500 and 2000 copies. Because we didn’t have a press; we had to print by hand. It was very difficult to get a hold of enough paper. Purchase of any large quantities – a ream or more was subject to suspicion by security. So then – And when I came to the gate of the shipyard and I said my name, people whom I had never seen before in my life told me, ‘well, we’re glad to see you here and here is your armband that you can walk around without anybody bothering you’ – and one of them gave me his strike armband.

So it turned out that we were well-known and our activities so to speak had circulated much further than we had initially thought. But as an example this is an understandable thing, Poles are commonly characterized as unruly troublemakers, but what I believe is that we have a national trait of respect for rule of law.