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Interviews with Andrzej Gwiazda and Joanna Duda-Gwiazda

Interviewed November 26, 2024

JOANNA DUDA-GWIAZDA: What I believe is that there is not a single method, there is not a single path, a path toward freedom, toward prosperity, toward independence, whenever that is the case, for countries that have different situations. So it is hard to say what, for instance, North Koreans could be doing. But I think that an absolute basis is that people should abandon the fear of a mutual conversation [talking to one another]. That they should disseminate all possible information, they should be building societal communication, as the learned phrase goes, you know, at the very basic level.

Because, when we reflected on what the core difference was between, say, Poland and the Soviet Union, then the difference was that in the Soviet Union, if someone was sent to a labor camp, then his family would disown him [meaning their fear of state repression led them to disown an imprisoned family member]. On the other hand, with Poland, they were never able to achieve that mindset. The Poles would always tell jokes amongst themselves, and this is a basic way to push back against, so to speak, this – this oppression. You cannot even start on your way without this.

ANDRZEJ GWIAZDA: For my part, I would like to add one important thing: that if [your] totalitarian system collapses, do not sink into euphoria: now we have toppled the system, because the toppling of a totalitarian system is only the beginning of a difficult path of building a new system. And so if I were to give advice, then the system [you are building] should be designed for the country for which it is being made.