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Interviews with Andrzej Celinski

Interviewed November 26, 2024

Well, 1968 is a very significant date. And the year of 1970. Not just for myself, but for our entire social milieu. 1968 was a year of rebellion by college students. Also young lecturers at the University, meaning the young intelligentsia. And that was at the largest university cities in Poland – in Warsaw, in Lodz, in Krakow, Wrocław and Gdansk. Now 1970 was the year for the workers to rebel. In 1968, when the students yelled to the workers “join us, join us” – none of them would join. In 1970 the workers in Gdansk were yelling to the college students, “come with us, come with us.”

Beside [Bogdan] Borusewicz no one joined. [Bogdan Borusewicz was a leading figure in the Polish opposition and a key architect of the Solidarity movement. View his Freedom Collection interview here.] Of course that is an exaggeration that it was just one person – but still, 1968 was the intelligentsia going it alone. 1970 was the workers going it alone. And it was clear to us from the very beginning, even in the 1960s, that any concessions on the part of authorities were out of the question but for a rebellion of the workers.

This is due to the social structure, and also the unique role of the so-called working class in Communist ideology, but also due to circumstances related to the feasibility of organizing a rebellion. The workers, the so-called large-industrial working class means a great accumulation of people in a single place. In our social circles in 1970 all the authority figures for youth were behind bars. So I am speaking of Karol Modzelewski, Jacek Kuron, Adam Michnik. [Karol Modzelewski was a Polish dissident and Solidarity activist. Jacek Kuron was a Polish historian who became a leading figure of the opposition and a prominent politician after the fall of communism. Adam Michnik is a Polish journalist and writer and a prominent anticommunist activist.]

They were all behind bars at the time. After 1968 they were sentenced to varying prison terms – from 2 ½ years to 3 ½ years – not too heavy but they had still not come out of prison by that time. Additionally, they were older than we were. An age difference 4 years as between Adam Michnik and myself, or a difference of 18 years as in the case between Jacek Kuron and myself, is a huge difference. So my friends and I aspired to that social circle, we wanted to know them, we wanted to become friends with them. But at the beginning they were too old and later they were in prison, so how were we going to meet them?

Additionally, we were somewhat afraid, as for me at least, I remember thinking that if I was too forward in searching out their friendship then they would think I am a spy. But at any rate, they finally came out of prison. And somehow we finally met up. And in the years, say, of 1973-1974, these were the years of getting to know one another. We organized seminars on history, where we spoke on Poland´s history.

I was a junior lecturer at the University, actually the only one of that generation. But at any rate, I was organizing these somewhat informal contact opportunities, these informal summer camps in Bieszczady, in Beskid Niski, where hardly anybody was living where it was just the empty country. I would invite Adam Michnik – well, at any rate, we had a chance to get to know one another. Also, we got great assistance from the authorities. First of all, Edward Gierek [First Secretary of the Communist Party from 1970 – 1980] was struck with an absolutely brilliant idea to modify Poland’s constitution, and to introduce into it a clause on the everlasting love of the Polish people for the Soviet Union.

Using this, and by reference to mainly scholarly types, mainly university people, we were able to well, perk up, if you like, these social milieus. We started collecting signatures, among writers, among actors – well, not so much among actors at that time but among directors, the professors, lower-level lecturers and scholars. So this was a kind of movement which organized a large segment – there were a large several hundred – it was maybe even upwards of 1000 people who mattered to the intellectual circles in several university cities [Gierek was responsible for unpopular amendments to the Polish constitution that institutionalized the leading role of the Polish Workers Party in the state and Poland’s friendship with the Soviet Union. These amendments were repealed when the opposition took power in 1989.]

You also have to note that this was a time of a social rapprochement of sorts between the left-leaning intelligentsia, whom you could call anti-regime, anti-Communist, democratic and left-leaning intelligentsia, with the [Catholic] Church, which at the time was undergoing a beautiful period of a clear opening up. Secondly Adam Michnik had just published, I do not remember exactly when, I want to say was in 1974, I think 1974 – I do not remember that date exactly, possibly 1973, but I think 74. He published in the Kultura Paryska periodical a very significant book, Kościół, Lewica, Dialog [The Church – the Left – A Dialogue], which was accepted by the significant bishops with extreme interest, is the way that I would phrase it. Also at that time, possibly a year later, Bohdan Cywinski [A Polish writer, historian and Solidarity activist] published his book – Rodowody Niepokornych – [Origins of the Proud & Stubborn Ones].

This was a book which described the story of the unvanquished Warsaw intelligentsia after the January Insurrection. Well, quite a bit after the January insurrection, in response to the debacle of this romantic upsurge of the insurrection, the affirmative action taken, the educational, work at the foundation of society, among primarily the youth of Warsaw in the late 1880s and 1890s and the very beginning of the 20th century [The January Uprising of 1863 was a series of peasant revolts in Poland, Lithuania, and Belarus against czarist Russia. Eventually subdued by the Russians, the uprising became a focal point in Poland’s national consciousness.].

The Origins Of The Proud & Stubborn Ones, by Bohdan Cywinski. This book also had significance due to the personality of Bohdan Cywinski. This was a man whom you certainly could not call a leftist. Bohdan Cywinski, the way he lives, his wife lives, they were, you could say, people raised by Karol Wojtyła [Pope John Paul II]. Karol Wojtyła baptized their children, he married them, he would sometimes stop by their apartment to visit in Warsaw whenever he was in town, and through them, at their home he would meet with our representatives, if I may call them that, those of the later Towarzystwo Kursów Naukowych [The (clandestine) Society for Educational Courses] and the KOR. [The Workers’ Defense Committee (KOR) was an anti-communist underground civil society organization in the 1970s, formed to provide assistance to laborers and others persecuted by the government. Many of Solidarity’s leaders were also active in KOR.]