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Interviews with Andrzej Celinski

Interviewed November 26, 2024

An important piece of information about those young years is that I was a Boy Scout of the 1st Warsaw Boy Scout Troop, called the Black No. 1 [Czarna Jedynka]. This had kind of a cult following and was significant, it originated 3 subsequent members of the Workers’ Defense Committee (KOR) [The Workers’ Defense Committee was an anti-communist underground civil society organization in the 1970s, formed to provide assistance to laborers and others persecuted by the government. Many of Solidarity’s leaders were also active in KOR.].

My apologies – it was four, not three. So out of 35 members of the Workers’ Defense Committee, four had been Boy Scouts in a single vintage class of the Black No.1. So these were Piotr Naimski, Antoni Macierewicz, Wojciech Onyszkiewicz and myself. Piotr Naimski, and Wojciech Onyszkiewicz were both in my platoon. Macierewicz joined us later. Actually it was already after we graduated from school. He was not really part of the Black No. 1, he later was part of a circle of camp counselors, older boys, college students, who were attached to the Black No. 1.

So the Black No. 1 was a significant place. And even to this day there are good things going on there. Well, this was a game, really. Together with the aforementioned Piotr Naimski, Wojciech Onyszkiewicz and Antoni Macierewicz – but of course there were many more of us, it was the Black No. 1 you know – we went out on June 24, 1966, which is an important date because there was a High Holy Mass in St. John´s Cathedral in Warsaw, celebrated by the Primate of Poland, Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski.

This was the climactic point for the celebrations of the so-called Millennium – the thousandth anniversary of the Baptism of Poland, held in the Warsaw Cathedral on June 24, 1966. [The conversion to Christianity of the Polish King Mieszko I in 966 is regarded in Poland as the conversion of the country to Christianity and called the Baptism of Poland.] So the Primate called on those assembled to make sure that there were no demonstrations of any kind, but we were 16, 17 years old, we were not about to go out there without causing some kind of a disturbance. So we lined up in a regulation file and blocked off the mouth of this small street, Świętojańska Street, which opens up on Castle Square, right outside the cathedral.

There was a throng of people there – tens of thousands of people, maybe fifty thousand, assembled in Castle Square and outside the cathedral, so we wanted to cause some tension in the crowd and then at a certain moment we started to shout some anti-state slogans. And so we led the crowd to the so-called White House – the headquarters of the Central Committee of the Party, because that was about the only thing that occurred to us to do. So the humorous element of this whole situation was that the Security Service had been unable to get wind of us in any way because, for all intents and purposes, we were children.

So in light of that they were completely unprepared, they had no notion that anyone could do something like that. So we ourselves were dumbfounded, because we had expected to be broken up after 100 or 200 meters of marching. So this was a kind of a game really. But they did not break us up. So when we were already approaching the White House and they were still not reacting, then we were getting pretty nervous about what to do next. So we reached St. Alexander´s church right near the Parliament building and there we simply made our separate ways. But by that time they started to catch us one by one from the head of the column. But then they let us go really quickly.

The reason I told you about this was because the only significance of this is that when people feel free or a person feels free, he or she gets joy just out of the act of contradicting authority. If we had been allowed to walk on the street pavement, you know the act of stepping off the sidewalk onto that pavement is always a moment of incredible joy of taking possession of something that belongs to you – the street is ours. It is simply that.

And I remember that at the very moment that we are taking possession of the pavement, that the cars have to stop for us, we’re yelling something, we’re singing something and these were not any anti-regime songs by any means, they were just songs, without any significance. But the important thing is that when the person feels free they experience joy in taking that freedom. And this was shown time and time again in the life of our group.